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Reward or Wrath: Two Judgments
Continuing the contrasts laid before us in the book of Revelation, join ReGina Johnston, Jina McAfee and Kyli Rose as they meet around the table of Origin. In this episode we discuss the two judgements unpacked in the book of Revelation. Some may have never realized, there are two, one for believers and one for unbelievers. One day you can hear the Lord say, "Well done!" Join us and find out how. We are looking forward to seeing you around the table of Origin.
Welcome back to the table of origin. My name is Regina Johnston. I'm here with my friends, Jina McAfee and Kyli Rose. We are origin. We look at elephants in the room and try to take them back to an original game plan or what was plan A. We believe God's plan is in is in existence and working today in our culture, in our world. This season, we've been looking at the book of Revelation. I love how we've been contrasting Revelation and the images of Revelation with the underlying or foundational idea of choice. I don't think I've ever seen this book so clearly as I've seen it this season because of the contrast of choices. If you would like to listen to those teachings, you can do so at Bethele3.org. That's b e t h e l e 3.org. This one is entitled Reward or Wrath: Two Judgments. Listen to this quote by Benjamin Franklin. He said, "In this world, nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes." And yes, they come to all of us. We're really not going to talk about death and taxes. So you don't have to turn us off. Keep listening. But we are going to discuss some future certainties. There are more things that are certain than
death and taxes. Hebrews 9:27 tells us this, "Each person is destined to die once and after that comes judgment." When you hear that word "judgment," what do you hear? That doesn't come across as a wonderful idea, right? When I hear it, I get a little nervous. I think if I'm going somewhere to be judged, I'm in trouble. I feel like I better mind my P's and Q's, right? Like it doesn't feel comfortable. You've heard this statement, "Don't judge me," right? You've heard it. So when I use that word "judgment," sometimes the connotation is not a good one to me. But honestly, when you make a judgement of something, it can come out positively. So we want to look at this word judgment. So Jina, tell us about one side of this contrast of the fact that there are two judgments.
Jina McAfee:There are two judgments, and everyone is going to be judged. The first judgment we're going to look at is the Judgment Seat of Christ. This is for believers. This is for those who've already said "yes" to Jesus. One of the Scriptures we
want to look at is Romans 14:10& 12. Verse 10 says this, "Why do you condemn another believer? Why do you look down on another believer? Remember, we will all stand before the judgment seat of God, and each of us will give a personal account to God." So we're all kind of in the same boat. But with believers, we're standing before Him to receive the reward that we get. Second
Corinthians 5:10 says this, "For we must all stand before Christ to be judged. We will each receive whatever we deserve for the good or evil we have done in this earthly body." For believers, the Judgment Seat of Christ will come right after the rapture. We're going to be in His presence, and He's going to sit down and look at each one of us at how we've lived. We've chosen to live for Him. "The Father judges no one. Instead, He has given the Son absolute authority to judge" (John 5:22). That means Jesus is the judge. And I love this: When we had this lesson in our Bible study, the teacher asked the question, and I kind of thought, is this a trick question, "Is it fair? Is the judgment fair?" So you're asking yourself, "What's she looking for? Is it fair?" The teacher says, "No, we do not get what we deserve." For believers, Jesus takes everything on Himself. He covers all of our sin. We do not get what we deserve. We don't. This is what Colossians 2:13-14 says, "You were dead because of your sins and because your sinful nature Because of Jesus our sins are separated from us as far as the was not yet cut away. Then God made you alive with Christ, for He forgave all our sins. He canceled the record of the charges against us and took it away by nailing it to the cross." As a believer, you're going to be given rewards. And it's not fair. Because He took it for us. All you have to do is say "yes" to Jesus right now. east is from the west. So this judgment isn't about our sin. It's about our works. I love that. So if we are going to be judged by Christ, Kyli, tell us what is the criteria for that.
Kyli Rose:We're actually going to be rewarded in this judgment for how we live as believers. And in a world that so idolizes how things look on the outside, we live in an upside down kingdom. He is far more concerned with what is going on in unseen places, right? He is concerned with the motives of our heart. He's concerned with our thought lives. He's concerned not so much with what we do, but why we do it. It matters. So with this judgment, our motives are measured. I want to read First Corinthians 3:10-15. It says, "Because of God's grace to me [this is Paul speaking to the church in Corinth], I have laid the foundation like an expert builder. Now others are building on it. But whoever is building on this foundation must be very careful. For no one can lay any foundation other than the one that we already have--Jesus Christ." At this point they were trying to build upon what Jesus had done. They were adding rules. We are so inclined to that as humans. He's saying,"No, no, no, this thing isn't built on you." It's not built on how good you are. It's not built on your talents or your skill set. It's built simply on Jesus Christ. "Anyone who builds on that foundation may use a variety of materials--gold, silver, jewels, wood, hay, or straw. But on the Judgment Day, fire will reveal what kind of work each builder has done. The fire will show if a person's work has any value. If the work survives, that builder will receive a reward. But if the work is burned up, the builder will suffer great loss. The builder will be saved, but like someone barely escaping through a wall of flames." So we see Paul is saying that he is the builder. He's referring to himself as the skilled builder who by God's grace got to lay the foundation for this church in Corinth. He started this church. He's cautioning those who come after him. He's saying,"This is what we started. This is what I started by God's grace. But I'm cautioning all of you who come after me, to continue to build carefully, to be cautious in how you lead, to be cautious in how you teach, to be cautious in how you live." Because each one of us as believers are called to be builders as well. We've got to be careful not only in what we're building, but how we're building it. We're called to build our works on the foundation of Christ. He is calling us to build eternally, not temporally. It's very hard for us to do. If you look at the Gospels, Jesus is frustrated. He's frustrated with the religious leaders more than anybody in the Gospels. They had the tassels, they had the right garments. Their "buildings" looked really good. They were the ones who prayed eloquent prayers in the streets, but He likened them to whitewashed tombs. He said, "You look really good, but you're dead. You're building something that will not last. Your buildings are beautiful, but they're going burn up because your motives are misplaced. So he's calling them and he's challenging them. I want you to build a life that is based and built on the foundation of Christ. Build on valuable works. It's wisdom. It's true. It's love. It's having this eternal mind. He's challenging them and the challenge is still on the table for us, today.
ReGina Johnston:Honestly, the Bible says that no man knows his own heart. We really need the work of the Holy Spirit in our hearts on a regular basis to even be sure that our motives are pure. It's hard in this world to even recognize what pure motives are. I guarantee you most people think their motives are pure. "Yours may not be, however, mine are pure." The longer we do that--point a finger at somebody else--we find ourselves coming into a place where our motives have become impure, and then our behaviors flow out of that. It's very important to let our hearts be checked by the Holy Spirit on a regular basis so that our motives are pure.
Kyli Rose:It's not what we do. It's how we do what we do. A lot of us are living well behaved lives. Things look really good. We say, "I'm not watching that. I'm not listening to that. I don't go there." But He still smells the stench of my pride. I remember teaching a class and someone raised their hand, she said, "I really think that so and so is smoking." She was so highly offended. She said, "I think so and so might be smoking." I remember thinking that my pride has just as much of an odor as the smoke from that cigarette. And it might be, I would dare say, even more offensive to God. So we have to be really careful, because it's very easy to look around and start pointing fingers when God wants to start that work inside of us. We cannot forget how desperate we are for the transformative work of the Holy Spirit and Jesus. Whenever He looks at us, He does not see us; He sees His Son. It's what His Son did. It's not what I did. I'm just partnering with that work and understanding my place in it.
ReGina Johnston:So knowing our motives matter, and knowing that our focus needs to be adjusted in a way that helps to ensure pure motives, Got Questions says, "The various crowns are a good summary of how we should think about the Judgment Seat of Christ." There are various crowns mentioned in the Bible. We want to look at these crowns. So Jina, tell us about the first two crowns.
Jina McAfee:We're looking at this as a way we live that brings reward. They're called crowns. The first crown is called the Victor's Crown. And I've also seen it called the Imperishable Crown, the one that doesn't end so it's eternal, for those who live a disciplined life. And we're going to look at a Scripture and you're gonna see a whole lot of imagery about games and running and physical activity. So that can really relate to us today, because we're such gym people today. It's from First Corinthians 9:25-27. And this is what it says, "Everyone who competes in the games goes into strict training. [So just think about it like training for the Olympics.] They do it to get a crown that will not last, but we do it to get a crown that will last forever. Therefore, I do not run like someone running aimlessly; I do not fight like a boxer beating the air. No, I strike a blow to my body and make it my slave so that after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified for the prize." You see that there's this physical imagery of how you live. And there's always a spiritual aspect to that too. So Paul's not really talking about an Olympic game. He uses running the race as if this life that we live is running the race the whole time. It's not a sprint, but a marathon. And the reward that you get as you discipline your life, you don't let the physical, fleshly part of you rule, but your spirit rules. We constantly have to check that. The physical will always try to rule, but we get to choose to let God rule, His plan rule, the spiritual side rule. And we were just talking about that before we even started today. It is a battle really, right. But that's what discipline is. And so in discipline, we think, "Okay, we've got to be in the word, we've got to hear from God, we've got to have time in prayer, and we need Holy Spirit." We need to hear the voice of God, so we need to be disciplined. And as we do, we're going to receive a crown. We're going to have a victory in the end. We will be with Him.
Kyli Rose:When you were talking, "running aimlessly" jumped off the page at me. There's a deception there. Sometimes we liken discipline to moving and doing. But I think a lot of us are not necessarily sitting, we're just not running with focus. We're running and we're moving and we're doing, but I think oftentimes, we're not running with any type of focus. And so we're expending all this energy doing things that don't have any type of eternal benefit or any type of eternal fruit. And we wonder why we're exhausted.
ReGina Johnston:The word"discipline" is not a word we love. But it's the root word of discipleship. And I think sometimes we find it easier to apply physical disciplines than we do spiritual disciplines. Why is that? So? Have you seen that?
Jina McAfee:I have, and I don't know why. Even like Kyli talked about last time we were together, it's a new year, and we have all these resolutions. We usually have a lot of physical disciplines in those New Year's resolutions.
ReGina Johnston:Well, there's a reason we've had a lot of sugar in the last months.
Jina McAfee:The last three years. But why do you think that is?
ReGina Johnston:Maybe the results are more tangible in our thinking? And we like pretty quick results. I think it's easier to change the outside than it is to change the inside.
Jina McAfee:One of the things with that, for me, is I feel like the physical discipline is harder to do over the long haul. But everything's harder to do over the long haul, right? But He's asking us to do that. You start and you don't quit. You grow. Increase. And that's really what He has for us. And so it's so interesting, if you get into Bible reading, you may have never been in it before, God says, "Taste and you will see." You have to start to have a hunger for it.
Kyli Rose:You do. Statistically, for those of us who have set resolutions, we've already fallen off the bandwagon, right? We're 10 days into the new year, and statistically, at least half of you, me included, have already fallen off the bandwagon. So maybe instead of making a whole list about the things we want to do, maybe as we want to be more disciplined, we want to get in the word more, maybe we want to get up 30 minutes earlier because we're tired of just diving into the day and feeling like life is coming at us and we don't have any say. Start with deciding, write it down, make it a mission statement. Answer,"Who do I want to become instead of what do I want to do?" Start with a different place this year. I want to be a woman, I want to be a man who hears the voice of God. I want to be a disciplined person. I want to be a person who is making a difference in my community or my job. I want to be a more patient mother. I want to be a more engaged wife or husband. So instead of starting with a list of 10 things that you want to do this year, start with who you want to become and then slowly but surely put things in place that you know will be a vote for her or for him. Don't have this all or nothing mindset. I didn't start the day off well, so we'll start again tomorrow. No, think of your day in quarters. This is the first quarter of the game; it didn't go very well. We're scooting into the second one. How can we course correct and move into the second one?
Jina Mcafee:I love course corrections. And I love that you have a goal. That's really what God's saying, "You have a goal." You have a goal to finish and finish well. And that's really what we're saying. And there's a reward for that. It's how you build. And really, it goes right into that second crown, which is called the Crown of Rejoicing. It's the Soul Winner's Crown. So it has to do with your purpose, which is what God called us to. This is First Thessalonians 2:19. It says, "After all, what gives us hope and joy, and what will be our proud reward and crown as we stand before our Lord Jesus when He returns? It's you." This is Paul talking to the church at Thessalonica. He's saying, "It's you who have taken the gospel, and you have said'yes' to Jesus, and you started running this thing out in your own life." It's when you see somebody catch hold of God as Savior and Lord. And you know what, that's going be a reward in heaven, but it's a reward now. It is joyful to us to share our life with someone, and they say, "Oh, I want that!" He said,"You can have it, you can have it."
ReGina Johnston:The third crown is the Crown of Righteousness. That's for all those who look forward to His appearing. That really connotes a longing for His appearing, that person who's lived a holy life in anticipation of His return. Their hearts are longing for His appearing. Second Timothy 4:8 says, "And now the prize awaits me--the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous Judge, will give me on the day of His return. And the prize is not just for me, but for all who eagerly look forward to His appearing." I love that sense of eagerness. It's really also known as a Winner's Crown, the Crown of the Overcomer, a crown for the finisher. Not someone who just stopped along the way, but they finished the thing, and they did it well. Those who have fought the good fight of faith, and they finish their course keeping their faith. Now honestly, the longer I live in this thing, the more I realize that is not so easy to do. There's a lot of things to get disillusioned over. There's a lot of things to be offended about. There's a lot of things to get bitter over. But conversely, if we're talking about contrast, there's a lot of things to be joyfilled over. There's a lot of things to be thankful for. There's a whole lot of things to celebrate in this life. This crown is for the people who finish having kept their faith. Once again, I get the picture of that holding on to the promises of God, holding on to our faith, like a dog with a bone and not letting go.
Kyli Rose:I want to ask the both the both of you. I don't feel like I can speak to this as much. I'm just a few laps into my race. It's easy to start off strong, but y'all have been at this faithfully for a long time, decades, now. And not just serving at a distance. You are in the throes of ministry, and you deal with people and problems and issues. You carry people's burdens. And from a distance, I have seen you do this so well for almost 13 years now. And you were doing it long before I came on the scene. And I know there's a lot of people listening, especially coming out of the last few years, they are tired. They want to be expectant, but they feel dry as a bone. And I know that you all have probably had some dry seasons too. So how do you practically do this? We want this crown so what does that look like practically? How do you stir that faith? How do you keep that flame fanned? What does that look like for you practically?
Jina McAfee:I remember when I first came to know the Lord and I was in the word and I saw Scripture that talked about finishing and I thought, "I want to finish." And I was younger than you. I knew up front I wanted to finish well. But like you said there are seasons where you know you feel a little dry. But one of the things you do, just like Regina said, you don't let go. You've got to be in the Word. I know that if I'm in the word, God will stir it up. I know if I speak a word to someone else, God will stir it up. That's where the maturity and discipline come. You say,"This is my goal." You know that you've been stirred up, and you want it back. We've talked before about hunger and thirst. If you eat, you will stir up hunger. They said, one of the last things that goes when someone is about to die, is they don't have hunger or thirst. You have got to keep yourself vital and alive. You have got to eat, whether you feel like it or not, whether you see something fresh right then or not. And you have got to pray and ask the Lord. Ask Him for hunger and thirst. He wants you to have it. He wants to give it to you.
ReGina Johnston:My thought went to when the Lord was saying to Simon, "Are you going to leave Me too?" And Simon says, "Where would I go? You have the words of life." That's what I've said to myself over and over again,"Lord, if I left, where would I go? Where would I go?" Ultimately, that rocks my whole world of what I have believed for years. Now, I have gone through dry seasons. And Kyli, you mentioned that the last few years have been difficult for some people to stay fresh, and to stay engaged. I do know that there are people who are involved in ministry who in the last few years have just walked away. And not only have they walked away from ministry, I've watched some of them walk away from the Lord. It's been hard to watch. But I've been reading from Natalie Runion on Instagram, she's written a book called Raised to Stay. That's her Instagram handle too--Raised to Stay. I was raised to stay. And I watched people who went before me who finished well. They're the lives that I honor. They're the ones that when I look back in history and and think about what has happened in the past and those who have gone before that come to mind as someone I want to emulate. It's not the ones who lost hope and lost out that come to my mind as someone I want to emulate. It's those that finished and finished well. And I remember Elwyn would tell his dad, when his dad would say, "Son, what can I do for you?" he would say, "Just finish strong, just finish well." That's what young believers need. They need people who will do the thing, no matter what, but not finish bitter, and not finish hopeless, but will finish strong in the faith. I'm not going lie to you. This is hard to do. Because the longer you live, the more hurt comes your way, the more opportunity for you to stand for something, asking God to do something for a long period of time. I mean, the longer you serve Him, the longer some of those things can take. And then you lose heart. God, where are you? Here's what I remember in one season that I was in where I was wondering,"God, where are you?" I just kept showing up. And we're about to hear this week in our Bible Engagement here in our Bible classes, one of the main things is Show Up. I kept showing up for my time with God. Did it feel futile at times? Yes, it did. But I just kept getting up and showing up, getting up and showing up. Sometimes I couldn't even concentrate to read so I listened to the word. I just kept showing up. That's one pointer I can give people. Kyli, talk to us about the next two crowns.
Kyli Rose:The next crown is the Crown of Life. This is for those who have endured testing and temptation. For every single one of us, this will be at our doorstep. In James 1:12 it says,"God blesses those who patiently endure testing and temptation. Afterward they will receive the crown of life that God has promised to those who love Him." I was looking at that word"patiently" endure, and my mind immediately thinks, "What does that even look like?" What does it look like to patiently endure? Patience is a fruit of the Holy Spirit. The only way that I can patiently endure testing and pain and go through some of the broken things that I'm going to go through--loss, betrayal, people walking away, dishonesty, I thought it was going to look this way and it didn't--it's just a part of this life and there's no way around it. But the word gives me hope that I can patiently endure. I don't have to crumble. I will not fail, because I am leaning and trusting and building a firm foundation on Jesus Christ. I have the ability to patiently endure because of the Holy Spirit in me. I think it does involve practically just this partnership, this day in and day out, continual conversation with the Holy Spirit, a relationship of friendship. And whenever the testing, the temptation, lands on my doorstep, I'll be able to stand because I'm able to patiently endure with Him.
Jina Mcafee:One of the things I've thought about is that He grows us like that. And when you do, you know you've grown. You know. He wants us to know that we've actually grown. He tells us to look on those times with joy. Not that we enjoy it, but we love that we did endure.
Kyli Rose:I love how we actually started with the crown that involves discipline, because I feel like all of these are tied to that in some form or fashion. Whenever tempting and testing land on my doorstep, that is not the hour in which I want to start putting a bunch of disciplines into place. I want to start that now. Because if the battle is when I begin to learn how to fight, I'm probably going to lose that one. And I'll have to soldier up and learn how to use my weapons for the next one. So let's not forfeit some battles. Let's get in there now. That way when the testing and the temptation show up, we already have some of these disciplines in place. We're learning and we're saying "yes" every single day to something. Next we see the Crown of Glory. This is the Shepherd's Crown. This is for the under shepherds of the Church. Peter says, "And now a word to you who are elders in the churches [pastors, elders, this is Peter speaking] I, too, am an elder and a witness to the sufferings of Christ. And I, too, will share in His glory when He is revealed to the whole world....And when the Great Shepherd appears, you will receive a crown of never-ending glory and honor." And he puts an emphasis here on never-ending. In their particular day and time, the athletes of that era would receive these leafy crowns. They would wear these leafy crowns on their head. It was such an accomplishment to have this leafy crown on your head. He's saying that those leaves will shrivel up and die. Eventually, the athlete takes it off, and the leaves will die and shrivel up in some corner. They'll try to preserve it, but it wasn't meant to last. He's saying that God is going to give those of you who are doing the hard work of under shepherding the flock, the pastors, the teachers, the leaders, he's saying, "I'm going to give you a crown that's going to last forever; it has eternal value. I love that right? Keep going, keep going, keep going, keep going.
ReGina Johnston:Keep showing up. We laid out the Judgment Seat of Christ. Now we want to look at the contrast to that. That's the Great White Throne Judgment. So Jina, tell us about this judgment.
Jina McAfee:I'm glad that we've actually taken quite a long time with the Judgment Seat of Christ for believers because we can all choose that. So the Great White Throne Judgment is for unbelievers. It's going to happen after the millennial reign, before the lake of fire. This is what the Word of God
says in Revelation 20:11-15. John says, "I saw a great white throne and the one sitting on it....I saw the dead, both great and small, standing before God's throne. And the books were opened, including the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to what they had done, as recorded in the books. And anyone whose name was not found recorded in the Book of Life was thrown into the lake of fire." So Jesus is the judge. He's the judge of believers and unbelievers. But the end is very different. Very, very different. One is reward and one is wrath.
ReGina Johnston:I love the question that we're about to examine here, because you asked this question, after we talked about the first judgment. And we're going to ask the same question again. Is this judgment fair? After talking about the Judgment Seat of Christ, the resounding answer was "No, it's not fair." We don't get what we deserve because of the work of Jesus Christ. But Kyli, I want to ask you this question about the Great White Throne Judgment. Is it fair? Yes. Well, tell me why it's fair.
Kyli Rose:Oftentimes, we think that God is angry. And that He's cruel and unkind. But if you think about it, He has been pursuing us from the very beginning. And some respond and say, "Yes." That is what the premise of this whole thing is. You get the choice. But some up to the very end will say, "No, no, no, no." And it won't be for lack of Him pursuing them. And so this is it. This is what it all comes down to. In John
3:18-20, it says, "There is no judgment against anyone who believes in Him. [Guys, if you are still unbelieving, you still have time to make that choice. There is no judgment against anyone who believes in Him.] But anyone who does not believe in Him has already been judged for not believing in God's one and only Son. And the judgment is based on this fact: God's light came into the world, but people loved darkness more than the light. [People loved their comfort more than that. People loved their pursuits more than that. People loved themselves more than that.] For their actions were evil. All who do evil hate the light and refuse to go near it for their sins will be exposed." At the end of the day, we chose what we loved more than Jesus. And there's cost for that. We pulled this from a website Christianity.com. It says, "God's wrath is not angry retribution against those who have offended God. Rather it is His righteous judgment against those who do evil. God is righteous. And He will judge us according to His righteous standard." He is the perfect judge. He is perfect. So what is the purpose? The purpose is to settle accounts of those who rebel against God's righteousness, those who He continually pursued and those who continually said, "No."
ReGina Johnston:So in case you missed it, the purpose of this judgment to settle accounts. God has to be who God is. He's just. He's love. Yes. And He's just. And at
Jina McAfee:He's just, some point, He has to judge sin. The Bible tells us His heart, He's not willing that any should perish. He didn't want anybody to go to hell. It's not His heart. Look at all the time, between the beginning of time and where we are now. God has been pursuing His people, pursuing going after them, running out to them, sending His Son to die for us. His heart is that we would all turn to Him. So just a moment, I just want to talk about the results of our choices. Because if we choose the Judgment Seat of Christ, we're choosing reward, and we'll hear from our Father, likely we'll hear, "Well done, My good and faithful servant." And He'll invite us in to celebrate with Him for eternity. But if we choose wrath, then the Bible tells us anyone whose name was not found recorded in the Book of Life was thrown into the lake of fire. And I can only imagine what a continual burning would feel like; you can only imagine. But even more so, the separation from who you know was sent to rescue you from it all. So we know that how we live matters. And we hear this from Revelation 22:12, "Look, I am coming soon, bringing My reward with Me to repay all people according to their deeds." This is the earnest heart of Christ: I'm coming, and I'm bringing your rewards. And I can't wait. Just as much as the crown of righteousness is given to those who are earnestly anticipating His return, you can almost hear in this where the Lord says,"Look, I'm coming, and I'm bringing my reward." You can almost hear that, earnestly awaiting that moment coming from Him. And so Jina, will you just lead us out in prayer as we close today?
Jina Mcafee:So Lord, we just come before You in the mighty name of Jesus, our Lord, our Savior, our Judge. Lord, I pray for the people who have not said"yes" to you yet, Lord, that You would open their eyes and their ears and their hearts and draw them, draw them to You, Lord. Allow them to see who You are, that You are love, and You are light, and You are good, and You have the best plan for us. And Lord, for those who have said,"Yes," but they struggle with the day to day, Lord, I pray that you would cause them to see eternity, Lord, that we would see our lives as just this very short time where we can actually touch other lives for You, and Lord we can be a light for You. And we can share our story with other people, Lord, that we can build with gold and silver and precious jewels. We get to do that. And Lord, that it's good here. And it's good forever. And Lord, we just love Your plan. There's just nothing like it. Lord, you're the Creator of all. And Lord, you want Your kids. And so let us see You. Let us see You clearly. We love You. We praise You. In Jesus' mighty name, amen.
ReGina Johnston:Amen. Well, it's been a good time. We look forward to seeing you next time around the table of origin.